Episodes

  • Sandy and Tom Bird/Lorna and Marty Anderson - Part 2

    Sandy and Tom Bird/Lorna and Marty Anderson - Part 2
    Jun 15 2026
    When 33-year-old Sandra Bird, a devoted mother and the wife of popular Faith Lutheran Church pastor Tom Bird, was found dead in the Cottonwood River near Emporia, Kansas, the town mourned what appears to be a tragic car accident. But Kansas Highway Patrol Trooper John Rule felt like something was off. From a complete lack of skid marks to mysterious bloodstains found where they shouldn’t have been, the physical evidence just didn’t add up.

    Months later, the community was rocked again when Martin Anderson, the husband of the church's secretary, Lorna Anderson, was gunned down on a dark highway in an apparent robbery gone wrong.

    What followed was one of the most tangled criminal cases in Kansas history: competing trials, a jailhouse reversal, a made-for-TV movie, and a legal fight that stretched across nearly a decade.

    Today’s snack: Lay's Argentinian-Style Steak with Chimichurri and Brazilian Style Garlic Sauce Chips

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • Sandy and Tom Bird/Lorna and Marty Anderson - Part 1

    Sandy and Tom Bird/Lorna and Marty Anderson - Part 1
    Jun 8 2026
    When 33-year-old Sandra Bird, a devoted mother and the wife of popular Faith Lutheran Church pastor Tom Bird, was found dead in the Cottonwood River near Emporia, Kansas, the town mourned what appears to be a tragic car accident. But Kansas Highway Patrol Trooper John Rule felt like something was off. From a complete lack of skid marks to mysterious bloodstains found where they shouldn’t have been, the physical evidence just didn’t add up.

    Months later, the community was rocked again when Martin Anderson, the husband of the church's secretary, Lorna Anderson, was gunned down on a dark highway in an apparent robbery gone wrong.

    What followed was one of the most tangled criminal cases in Kansas history: competing trials, a jailhouse reversal, a made-for-TV movie, and a legal fight that stretched across nearly a decade.

    Today’s snack: Biscoff Bala Baiana

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    Sources:
    • Breneman, Allie. "Bird Bridge: What lies beneath." The ESU Bulletin, 30 Oct. 2025, https://esubulletin.com/19335/news/bird-bridge-what-lies-beneath/.
    • Hrenchir, Tim. "Board grants parole to Lorna Anderson Moore." The Capital-Journal, 2 Feb. 2007. Google Groups, http://cjonline.com/stories/020207/bre_moore.shtml.
    • Kraft, Scott. "Murderous Affair Shocks Kansas Town." Los Angeles Times, 17 Mar. 1986. Newspapers.com, https://www.newspapers.com/image/401821025/.
    • Kraft, Scott. "Who Killed Sandy Bird?" Los Angeles Times, 2 May 2004.
    • Norton, Bill. "A love worth killing for. Part I. The Preacher & The Spider Lady." The Kansas City Star, 1 Dec. 1985, p. 14. Newspapers.com, https://www.newspapers.com/image/679701233/.
    • Norton, Bill. "Cleric convicted of killing spouse raps TV verdict." The Evansville Courier, 4 May 1987, p. 1. Newspapers.com, https://www.newspapers.com/image/768496369/.
    • Sengupta, Sounak. "Martin Anderson Murder: What Happened to Lorna Elridge and Tom Bird?" 4 Nov. 2022.
    • State v. Bird. 238 Kan. 160, 708 P.2d 946. Supreme Court of Kansas. 25 Oct. 1985.
    • State v. Bird. 240 Kan. 288, 729 P.2d 1136. Supreme Court of Kansas. 5 Dec. 1986.
    • "A Murderous Minister & His Mistress in Emporia, Kansas | City Confidential | A&E." YouTube, uploaded by A&E, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEZYqZ69Vs
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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Bonus Episode: Judy Malinowski

    Bonus Episode: Judy Malinowski
    Jun 6 2026
    When Judy Malinowski met Michael Slager in April 2015, she was ready for love again after beating ovarian cancer and opioid addiction but the relationship quickly turned violent. After dating for only a few months, Slager poured gasoline on Judy and set her on fire, burning more than 80% of her body. Judy's unforgettable story is one of extraordinary courage, resilience, and determination in the face of unimaginable suffering. Her will to live to make a difference for domestic violence survivors is inspirational.

    Today's snack: Oreo Cakesters Confetti Cake

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    Sources:
    • https://www.judysfoundation.org/
    • https://www.paramountplus.com/movies/video/ic8hltRIC14XlBHp1sJ_WHU3GgroSmdj/#open The Fire That Took Her
    • https://www.egan-ryan.com/obituary/Judith-Malinowski
    • https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/judy-malinowskis-daughters-our-mommy-didnt-suffer-vain/530-6de5eb7f-fd48-4e56-87ff-314445285b16
    • https://nc.prelawland.com/post/173290941067/unprecedented-decision-in-malinowski-case
    • https://www.newspapers.com/image/1322732261/?match=1&terms=Judy%20Malinowski\
    • https://www.weeklywilson.com/tag/judy-malinowski/
    • https://www.newspapers.com/image/422380424/?match=1&terms=%22Judy%20Malinowski%22
    • https://appgateway.drc.ohio.gov/OffenderSearch/Search/DetailsPrint/A731261
    • https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/michael-slager-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-after-pleading-guilty-in-judy-malinowski-murder-case/
    • https://www.narconon.org/blog/ohio-among-top-four-states-for-opioid-related-addictions-and-death.html
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    48 mins
  • Pelley Family Murders - Part 2

    Pelley Family Murders - Part 2
    Jun 1 2026
    In April 1989, four members of the Pelley family were brutally murdered inside their Indiana church parsonage just hours before prom. Investigators quickly focused on 17-year-old Jeff Pelley, but the case against him was entirely circumstantial and filled with lingering questions. Over the decades, the murders have sparked debate, allegations of tunnel vision, alternate theories, and claims of wrongful conviction.

    In this two-part episode, we examine the complicated dynamics inside the blended Pelley family, the timeline prosecutors built their case around, the evidence both for and against Jeff, and the questions that still surround the murders more than 35 years later.

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    Today's snacks: Carada Choc Ball and Cheetos Puffs Flamin' Hot Dill Pickle
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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Pelley Family Murders - Part 1

    Pelley Family Murders - Part 1
    May 25 2026
    In April 1989, four members of the Pelley family were brutally murdered inside their Indiana church parsonage just hours before prom. Investigators quickly focused on 17-year-old Jeff Pelley, but the case against him was entirely circumstantial and filled with lingering questions. Over the decades, the murders have sparked debate, allegations of tunnel vision, alternate theories, and claims of wrongful conviction.In this two-part episode, we examine the complicated dynamics inside the blended Pelley family, the timeline prosecutors built their case around, the evidence both for and against Jeff, and the questions that still surround the murders more than 35 years later.Listen to part 2 nowToday's snacks: BBQ chips from Lay's, Better Made and Busch'sSources:Smith, Carlton. The Prom Night Murders: A Devoted American Family, TheirTroubled Son, and a Ghastly Crime. (2009) St Martin Press Paperbacks. Collins, Jamie. I Am Jessica: A Survivor’s Powerful Story of Healing and Hope. (2018) Bold Whisper Books. https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4BocUsSQBEla6rhVv4Qvuy?si=cd29e60111884bd1 CounterClock Podcasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcwS2KefKcA&t=2s 48 Hours episodehttps://www.facebook.com/48hours/posts/police-in-lakeville-indiana-say-jeff-pelley-17-killed-his-family-to-make-his-198/1093956515937125/https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/evidence-photos-pelley-family-quadruple-murder/https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/in-supreme-court/1230713.htmlhttps://public.courts.in.gov/Decisions/api/Document/Opinion?Id=x0jKlMAx-gZmv4EhhqVqWX9OhIA35sjGaSBly2Eo9dLNxzy8pEeP9kliFiCH-l1o0https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/131577054/ava_joyce-pelley?utm_source=chatgpt.com#view-photo=229819654https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article/Cherished-life-7019590.php Jessi https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/prom-night-murders-new-intel-points-to-dads-shady-past/ https://www.justiceforjeff.org/https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/news/local/2022/01/03/prom-night-murders-counterclock-podcast-questions-jeff-pelleys-guilt/8975090002/https://www.southbendtribune.com/story/news/2022/03/16/jeff-pelley-indiana-prom-night-murders/7048236001/https://www.newspapers.com/image/522511070/?match=1&terms=%22Robert%20Jeffrey%20Pelley%22https://www.newspapers.com/image/516443144/?article=691a885a-1f57-4eb2-9df2-ecb8bb3fd66e&terms=%22Jeff%20Pelley%22https://www.newspapers.com/image/522510658/?match=1&terms=%22Jeff%20Pelley%22https://www.wndu.com/2024/04/29/jeff-pelley-convicted-nearly-20-years-ago-prom-night-killer-denied-retrial/
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    1 hr and 9 mins
  • Michele and Martin MacNeill - Part 2

    Michele and Martin MacNeill - Part 2
    May 18 2026
    Michele MacNeill was a devoted mother of eight and a respected member of her community. From the outside, her life looked picture-perfect—until cracks in her marriage began to surface.

    As her husband Martin grew increasingly distant, Michele and her daughter Alexis uncovered evidence of a secret life he had been carefully hiding. Affairs, deception, and manipulation slowly came into focus, even as Martin insisted nothing was wrong.

    When Michele agreed to undergo a facelift at her husband’s urging, it seemed like a chance to repair both her confidence and her marriage. Days later, she was dead. What first appeared to be a tragic accident would soon raise far more troubling questions.

    Today's snacks: Tony's Chocolonely, Tiny Tony's and Pistachio Caramel Clusters

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    1 hr and 17 mins
  • Michele and Martin MacNeill - Part 1

    Michele and Martin MacNeill - Part 1
    May 11 2026
    Michele MacNeill was a devoted mother of eight and a respected member of her community. From the outside, her life looked picture-perfect—until cracks in her marriage began to surface.

    As her husband Martin grew increasingly distant, Michele and her daughter Alexis uncovered evidence of a secret life he had been carefully hiding. Affairs, deception, and manipulation slowly came into focus, even as Martin insisted nothing was wrong.

    When Michele agreed to undergo a facelift at her husband’s urging, it seemed like a chance to repair both her confidence and her marriage. Days later, she was dead. What first appeared to be a tragic accident would soon raise far more troubling questions.

    Listen to part 2 today on Patreon

    Today's snack: Shirley Temple bars

    Sources:
    • Hogan, Shanna (2015). The Stranger She Loved A Mormon Doctor, His Beautiful Wife and an Almost Perfect Murder. St. Martin’s Press (ebook).
    • https://www.hulu.com/watch/4b0eeefe-a55f-4a3e-bac0-c670f32da9fe 20/20
    • https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/_/88283925-d78b-3b40-87be-682222e792f7?paused=true Dateline
    • https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3058-N-Millcreek-Rd-Pleasant-Grove-UT-84062/60844909_zpid/?mmlb=g,0 The MacNeil’s home
    • https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/reactive-attachment-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20352939
    • https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2011/04/29/investigators-suspect-utah-doctor-killed-wife/
    • https://abcnews.com/US/utah-doctors-life-lies-unravels-children-convinced-murdered/story?id=63609211
    • https://www.sltrib.com/news/courts/2017/07/22/prison-death-of-former-utah-doctor-and-convicted-killer-martin-macneill-was-a-suicide-police-officially-rule/
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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • Mother's Day Bonus Episode: Theresa Jimmie Francine Knorr

    Mother's Day Bonus Episode: Theresa Jimmie Francine Knorr
    May 10 2026
    In 1964, an 18-year-old mother named Theresa Cross Sanders claimed self-defense after killing her abusive husband. Over the next two decades, Theresa—often a single parent—built a life in Northern California, raising six children behind closed doors in a home ruled by fear, violence, addiction, and control.

    As the abuse escalated, two of her daughters vanished a year apart without anyone reporting them missing. Years later, the surviving children began breaking their silence, exposing one of the most disturbing family murder cases in California history.

    Today's snack: Strawberry Banana Cookies (from the mind of Emma)

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    Sources:
    • https://www.hoopladigital.com/play/11557901
    • https://medium.com/@crimesandcuriosities/the-worlds-most-evil-mother-86f46e54fccb
    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRmQSul_0MU
    • https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-theresa-knorrs-sons-now/
    • https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdmo/pr/st-joseph-man-sentenced-child-porn
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    1 hr and 20 mins