Ever walked into a room where everyone disagrees with you—and had to stay calm, stay credible, and still get your point across? That's Jessica Tarlov's job every single day. As the lone liberal voice on Fox News's The Five, she's mastered something most communicators only talk about: how to argue without alienating, and disagree without disconnecting.

In this episode, Michael sits down with Jessica to unpack the strategy behind her new book, I Disagree: Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends. They dig into why data alone rarely changes minds, why "empathy before education" beats facts-first every time, and why staying calm under fire is its own kind of communication superpower. Whether you're managing a boardroom debate or a Thanksgiving table blowup, Jessica's playbook works. Because the goal was never to win the argument—it's to open the door.

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