In this live episode of the Wine & Hip Hop Podcast, Jermaine Stone sits down with Andre Mack at the Philbrook Museum in Tulsa for a conversation that goes far beyond wine.

Andre Mack is one of the most influential voices in modern wine, a former Per Se beverage director who went on to build a multi-million dollar wine brand and redefine what it means to be a sommelier. But this conversation isn’t the usual story.

Because of their longstanding relationship, Jermaine and Andre discuss topics that aren’t often discussed publicly, from the real mindset behind his success to the decisions that shaped his path outside the traditional wine world.

They talk about:
• Going from zero wine knowledge to the top of fine dining in under two years
• Walking away from the expected path to build something independent
• Using hip hop, culture, and storytelling to connect with new audiences
• What it actually takes to communicate wine in a way people understand
• The current state of the wine industry and where it’s headed next
• Why live experiences are becoming the future of wine
• A major reveal about what Andre is building next

Recorded live in Tulsa, a city that has become a second home for Jermaine, this episode blends real conversation, industry insight, and cultural perspective in a way that only Wine & Hip Hop can.

This isn’t just about wine. It’s about building your own lane.

Water to Wine is the final episode of Wine & Hip Hop in 2025—and a reflection on everything this year has been about: community, leadership, and surviving the times together.

In this closing conversation, Jermaine Stone sits down with Shaun J. Lee, the seventh pastor of Mount Lebanon Baptist Church in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. For well over a century, Mount Lebanon Baptist Church has stood as a historic anchor in the Black community in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn—a place of gathering, organizing, protection, and continuity when resources were limited and the future uncertain.

The conversation lives at the intersection of church and hip hop, examining how both have historically functioned as survival languages—spaces where people tell the truth, process hardship, and find ways to keep going. Pastor Lee and Jermaine talk about community leadership, responsibility, and what it means to hold people together during challenging times.

As the year comes to a close, Water to Wine isn’t about spectacle—it’s about endurance. About how communities survive through culture, mentorship, presence, and shared space.

This episode is the bow on a year dedicated to building community.

In this episode of Wine & Hip Hop, host Jermaine “Showtime” Stone—aka The Wolf of Wine—sits down with legendary DJ, creative strategist, and cultural thinker Mick for a layered, unfiltered conversation about music, wine, creativity, and longevity.

Mick reflects on his journey from the golden era of mixtapes to becoming a respected speaker, investor, and cultural voice, sharing hard-earned lessons on creative evolution, entrepreneurship, timing, and building a sustainable career without losing the soul of the craft. Jermaine draws sharp parallels between Burgundy and Oregon, mixtapes and winemaking, pressure and diamonds, showing how true artistry matures when ego steps aside and intention leads.

The episode unfolds over a guided tasting of Abbott Claim Winery wines from Oregon’s Willamette Valley, with insight from acclaimed French winemaker Alban de Bouville, whose Burgundian philosophy has helped shape Abbott Claim into one of the most terroir-driven producers in the New World.

This episode explores:

• The mixtape era and how DJs built brands before social media

• Why Oregon Chardonnay mirrors Burgundy’s humility, precision, and restraint

• Terroir as a mindset—not just a wine term

• Creative patience, Plan B’s, and long-term thinking

• How great wine and great music both reward curiosity, attention, and time

This is Wine & Hip Hop at its core—where culture, conversation, and craftsmanship intersect.