What if shame isn't the enemy we've always thought it was? What if, instead of trying to silence it, we learned to listen for what it might be telling us?

This week, I sat down with Dr. Frank Spinelli, an Enneagram Eight and the author of The Shame Compass: A Radical Framework for Trauma Healing and Self-Acceptance. Frank has spent years thinking about the ways trauma and shame shape our lives and he knows this territory personally. In our conversation, he shares how the armor we build to protect ourselves can help us survive, but can also keep the people who love us from ever seeing who we really a

Dr. Spinelli offers a different way to understand shame. Rather than treating it as proof that something is wrong with us, he invites us to see it as information: a signal that something deserves our attention. We talk about his COMPASS framework for working with shame, why learning to pause can change the course of a difficult moment, and how to separate the facts of a situation from the harsh stories we tell ourselves.

We also get into the Enneagram Eight's relationship with strength, anger, control, and vulnerability. Frank makes a point I think many of us need to hear: our strength may not be the problem. The belief that we have to carry everything alone might be.

And underneath all of it is the importance of connection. Shame thrives in isolation. Healing asks us to risk being known.

Whether shame is something you've wrestled with for years or you're only beginning to recognize its voice, I hope this conversation helps you meet yourself with a little more honesty, compassion, and courage.

In this episode:
• Why the armor we build to survive can eventually keep us from being fully known
• How shame can function as a signal rather than an indictment
• The difference between toxic shame and the kind of shame that calls us back to our values
• Frank's seven-stage COMPASS framework for developing shame literacy
• Why pausing is a skill we can—and should—practice before we're activated

What does it actually mean to become a person of deep character in a culture obsessed with personality, platform, and performance?

On this episode of Typology, Ian Morgan Cron sits down with therapist, spiritual director, professor, and author Dr. Chuck DeGroat to explore the slow and courageous work of becoming whole.

Drawing on his new book, Who You're Becoming: The Slow and Courageous Work of Cultivating Character in a Narcissistic Age, Chuck invites us to look beneath the image we present to the world and consider the person we are becoming.

Together, Ian and Chuck explore authenticity, vulnerability, spiritual formation, leadership, and the challenge of cultivating genuine character in a world that often rewards the opposite. It's a conversation about telling ourselves the truth, moving beyond performance, and embracing the deeper work of growth.

Because becoming whole isn't about building a better image. It's about becoming a more integrated, honest, and courageous human being.

In this episode, we explore:

• What it means to cultivate deep character in a culture of performance

• The difference between appearing authentic and doing the work of becoming whole

• Why vulnerability and honest self-examination matter

• The relationship between spiritual formation, leadership, and character

• How we can become more intentional about the people we are becoming

Chuck DeGroat serves at Western Theological Seminary and is the founder of the Soul Care Collaborative. He is a therapist, spiritual director, professor, and author whose work explores the intersection of psychology, spiritual formation, trauma, leadership, and faith.

Listen in, reflect on who you're becoming, and join us for another conversation about the mystery of personality and the great human adventure.

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None of us becomes who we are on our own. We carry the stories, wounds, wisdom, and unfinished hopes of the people who came before us. Sometimes we recognize those inheritances; sometimes they show up in us before we even have words for them.

This week on Typology, Anthony and I sit down with J.S. Park, hospital chaplain and author of We Are Made of Us, to talk about the complicated, beautiful truth that understanding ourselves means getting curious about the people and stories that shape us. Joon's work has brought him alongside people at life's most vulnerable thresholds, where family histories and old patterns often come into view. He invites us to look at our own stories with a little more curiosity and a little less judgment.

Whether you're a Two, a Four, or simply someone whose family story is still unfolding, I hope this conversation offers you a little insight, compassion, and room to breathe.

In this episode:

• How culture and family shape the way we understand our Enneagram type
• The "June bow": why we sometimes rush people through grief
• Moving beyond codependence and independence toward interdependence
• A more compassionate question to ask about difficult family relationships
• Listening to our aging parents and honoring the stories they carry

Resources: We Are Made of Us by J.S. Park [link] · J.S. Park on Instagram [handle/link] · Take the Typology Institute Enneagram Assessment [link]