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The Other 22 Hours

The Other 22 Hours

By: Michaela Anne Aaron Shafer-Haiss
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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.


2023-26 The 0ther 22 Hours Podcast Art Career Success Economics Entertainment & Performing Arts Music Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Dan Wilson (Semisonic, Adele) on rewriting career ambition, unlearning "should," and the agony of a #1 hit.

    Dan Wilson (Semisonic, Adele) on rewriting career ambition, unlearning "should," and the agony of a #1 hit.
    Oct 7 2026

    Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem "Closing Time" to Grammy-winning collaborations like Adele’s "Someone Like You," The Chicks' "Not Ready to Make Nice," Chris Stapleton's "White Horse" and Jon Batiste's "It Never Went Away." Yet behind four decades of catalog mastery lies a quiet, rigorous inner examination of what it means to build an artistic life.

    In this spacious conversation, Dan reflects on stepping off the tour bus during the height of rock success to care for his medically fragile newborn daughter, the radical freedom of striking the word "should" entirely from one's creative vocabulary, and why he spent the entire ascent of a global number-one single terrified instead of celebrating.

    In This Episode:

    • Dan Wilson
    • Semisonic
    • "Don't Give Up Yet"
    • Rick Rubin
    • Carole King
    • Trip Shakespeare
    • Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
    • Ep 17 - Elizabeth Cook
    • Nick Launay
    • Amy Winehouse
    • Bonnaroo
    • Hardly Strictly Bluegrass
    • Emmylou Harris
    • Ep 46 - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    • Frank Stella


    Go Deeper:

    • Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.
    • Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.
    • Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.

    The Hosts:

    The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).

    • More about Aaron’s work.
    • More about Michaela Anne’s work.

    Credits:

    Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
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    50 mins
  • Medium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.

    Medium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.
    Sep 30 2026

    Between late-night TV appearances and relentless album sprints, how does a working artist remain anchored in their own life? This week, we sit down with Nick Carpenter (Medium Build), whose catalog of raw, empathetic storytelling has earned him critical acclaim, tours with Mumford and Sons and Tyler Childers, and fans likes of Elton John, John Mayer, and boygenius. We discuss the exhausting trap of algorithmic omnipresence, the Jungian necessity of integrating our shadows rather than suppressing them, and the profound wisdom passed to him by Ben Kweller on honoring the muse. It is a generous, disarming exploration into stepping off the treadmill of validation and reclaiming art as an act of service rather than a product.

    In This Episode:

    • Medium Build
    • Jimmy Kimmel
    • Rosie Rush
    • Carl Jung
    • Duke's (Nashville)
    • Niall Horan
    • Gandalf (The Lord of the Rings)
    • Bonnaroo
    • Ben Kweller


    Go Deeper:

    • Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.
    • Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.
    • Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.

    The Hosts:

    The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).

    • More about Aaron’s work.
    • More about Michaela Anne’s work.

    Credits:

    Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
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    44 mins
  • Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.

    Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
    Sep 23 2026
    What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, and Sierra Hull, as well as a member of the Sweet Water Warblers and a festival staple in her own right, joins us to explore the tender, high-stakes choreography of modern artist-parenthood. Celebrating her landmark all-women project, Bluegrass Women, Lindsay reflects on giving historical weight to the women who shaped roots music. She also gives unvarnished clarity about postpartum identity, surviving festival chaos with a 15-month-old strapped to her chest on stage, and the quiet revelation that comes when we stop trying to compartmentalize who we are. This episode is a deep dive into creative endurance, presence, and why artists pursuing their craft is a gift to their family rather than a subtraction.In This Episode:Lindsay Lou The Sweet Water Warblers Rolling Stone Stateside Festival Grand Targhee (Grand Targhee Bluegrass Festival) Sam Grisman Ep 145 Derek Trucks Ep 12 Leyla McCalla Ep 39 Joe Henry Meshell Ndegeocello The Stanley Brothers Keith Whitley Ricky Skaggs Ola Belle Reed Tim O'Brien Ep 147 Nitty Gritty Dirt Band Bluegrass Album Band David Grisman Scott Vestal Shani Gandhi Ep 11 Lucius Rachael Price Fran's Eastside Tavern (Fran's) Rachel Baiman Ep 85 Caroline Spence Go Deeper:Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.The Hosts:The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).More about Aaron’s work.More about Michaela Anne’s work.Credits: Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
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    42 mins
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