John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.

Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.

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"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.

Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.

John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World

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"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.

Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag.

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John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.

Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.

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The boys are joined by dear friend and documentary producer Alyson Holland to talk about her new project on Ronald Reagan. John forgets what generation he is in and ponders the last time we had Aly as a guest and almost burned their friendship to the ground.

Meanwhile, Jonnie decides he is exactly as famous as he ever wants to be and wonders whether the world’s longest hotdog was even edible.

Plus, a discussion about a timely quote from the late Tim Keller about the gospel.

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John forgets the lyrics to his own song and reveals his earliest childhood memory. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders "very special episodes" of 80's sitcoms that dealt with heavy issues and tells the tale of the heroic birds who ruined Hitler's Olympic Games in Berlin.

Plus, the boys are joined by their good friend, singer/songwriter Caleb Christopher Edwards, to talk about his brand new project "Hoosierman: Volume II" (out now wherever you find your music.)

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John changes his mind on a cheesy 90's song now that he's a girl dad and ponders whether aliens are real. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals the commercial jingle that makes him homicidal and tells the insane story of the last bareknuckle boxing match.

Plus, a conversation about friends, enemies, and the best revenge.

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John plays basketball against some teenagers and finds out that George Lucas was just making Star Wars up as he went along. Meanwhile, Jonnie evicts his uninvited bird guests and complains about fast food prices like an old man shouting at the clouds.

Plus, a conversation about why negativity is so easy and why hope takes courage.

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