This episode features the poet Ella Frears. A total bath person, Ella joins Molly in Sheffield for a chat about the future. How worried should we be about our artistic stability? Is there any way to protect ourselves from the precarious nature of the arts? Why isn't Molly considered a Cornish artist, and is there anything Ella wouldn't do for £100? Listen and find out!

Ella's recent book Goodlord: An Email is a fictional memoir of habitation. It was shortlisted for the Forward Prize for Poetry.

Her first collection, Shine Darling, was shortlisted for the TS Eliot Prize.

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It's Chloe Petts! Chloe is a stand up comedian. You might have seen them on Have I Got News For You, Taskmaster or Mock the Week. They will be touring their new show, Call me by your Surname, from January 2027.

Join Chloe and Molly for a chat about the trouble with knowing when to take responsibility versus when to complain about the system! We also touch on the relationship between the performer and the audience, Chloe's struggle to enjoy stand up when they first started out, and what happens when your favourite football team is... Crystal Palace.

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Poet, performer and novelist Salena Godden joins us today for a chat about overthinking. Why we do it, the impact it has, whether artists are particularly prone to it and what it does to our lives and our work.

Salena is the author of the novel Mrs Death Misses Death, out now with Cannongate. Her newest poetry collection is Pessimism is for Lightweights, published by Rough Trade.

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