Jesse Michels returns to the Joe Rogan Experience for another deep dive into UFOs, consciousness, government secrecy, and the strange line between physical reality and the unexplained. Joe and Jesse get into the signal-versus-noise problem surrounding UFO evidence, alleged encounters and abductions, remote viewing, psychedelics, ancient civilizations, and whether some of the mystery surrounding the phenomenon might be deliberate.

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On the 1 year anniversary of Charlie Kirk's death, we revisit the episode we recorded in the immediate aftermath of his killing.

Charlie was one of the most influential and controversial political voices of his generation. You didn't have to agree with everything he said to recognize what he built, the millions of people he reached, or his willingness to sit across from people who strongly disagreed with him.

After watching Charlie for years, my impression was of a passionate, compassionate and well-meaning person who genuinely believed in what he was doing and, above everything else, seemed to be a good person at heart.

This special begins with a new tribute to Charlie before returning to our original conversation from one year ago.

Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk.

This week we break down Thomas Campbell's latest appearance on Joe Rogan. Campbell is back with his wild theory that consciousness is fundamental, reality is essentially a simulation, and AI may already be conscious. We get into his claims about teaching Gemini and Alexa to remote view, whether observation actually creates reality, the purpose of human consciousness, UFOs, and his belief that AI could ultimately help humanity rather than destroy it. Fascinating ideas, huge claims, and plenty for us to argue about. Enjoy!

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