Kelly Swingler shares her lived experience of burnout, including two near fatal collapses, the first involving chronic pain, passing out in public places and emergency surgeries, and the second leaving her unable to move from the sofa for six months. We explore how burnout dismantled Kelly's identity despite reaching board level HR at 30, and how Kelly’s Burnout Equation: 'Toxicity - Sense of Self = Burnout', explains the way pressure, pace and expectations erode who you are long before the body breaks.
Kelly and Simon Scott-Nelson also discuss the complex nature of burnout, nervous system regulation, and practical strategies for recovery. They emphasise the importance of safety, slow progress, and understanding the brain's response to modern stressors.
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Topics
Kelly Swingler's personal burnout journey
The neuroscience of burnout and toxicity
Signs and symptoms of burnout
Strategies for prevention and recovery
The impact of modern life on the nervous system
The concept of the burnout equation and toxicity
The importance of safety and slow progress in recovery
Neuroscience insights into fight, flight, freeze responses
Practical strategies for rejuvenation and energy recharging
Chapters
00:00 Kelly Swingler's Personal Burnout Journey
00:02 Introduction to burnout and nervous system
03:04 The impact of modern life on our stress response
03:45 The Neuroscience and Equation of Burnout
07:02 The burnout equation and toxicity
09:49 Signs and Symptoms of Burnout
12:12 The importance of feeling safe in recovery
16:02 Neuroscience of fight, flight, freeze responses
20:12 Toxicity, Social Media, and Loss of Self
21:09 The primitive brain and survival instincts
25:48 Patterns and behaviours that keep us stuck
29:56 The Impact of Workplace Toxicity and Identity
30:48 Strategies for slow, steady recovery
36:06 Rejuvenation and recharging activities
37:00 Breaking the Cycle and Moving Towards Recovery
40:49 The role of inner critic and noise
45:55 The importance of understanding and managing toxicity
51:06 Practical steps to rebuild safety and self-esteem
56:14 The long journey of burnout recovery
01:01:02 Final advice and encouragement for listeners
Resources
Kelly Swingler – Website - https://kellyswingler.com
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@kellyswingler
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyswingler
Two crisis support lines (UK)
Samaritans: 116 123
Shout (text support): Text SHOUT to 85258
Simon Scott-Nelson - LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-scott-nelson
Keywords
Burnout, mental health, stress management, self-care, workplace stress, recovery, emotional health, Kelly Swingler burnout, nervous system, recovery, mental health, stress management, self-care, neurodivergence, resilience, mental health awareness
We are a peer-connection space focused on shared storytelling, not a medical service or crisis centre. If you are in immediate need, we recommend reaching out to professional emergency services.