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Summary

Straight Talk on IT Mergers & Acquisitions

Welcome to Cogent Conversations, hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO and founder of Cogent Growth Partners. In this series, we cut through the noise to deliver no-fluff, no-BS insights into the world of IT M&A.

Whether you are looking to scale your firm or prepare for an exit, we explore what actually works, what doesn't, and the specific steps required to build a business that buyers truly want. Join us for clarity, expert strategy, and a little bit of fun along the way.


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Episodes
  • #27 Cogent Conversations: 🤖 Can AI Really Increase Your MSP’s Value?
    Nov 4 2026

    🏠 What will actually happen to your MSP after the sale closes?

    In this episode of Cogent Conversations, Ramsey Sahyoun joins Joe and Rick to explain the questions every MSP owner should ask a prospective buyer. Who will run the company? Will the brand survive? Must the technology stack change? What happens to employees and customers?

    Ramsey also reveals how Berkshire Hathaway inspired Evergreen Services Group’s permanent-ownership model. Instead of absorbing acquired MSPs into one centralized operation, Evergreen seeks to preserve their brands, leadership, and autonomy while supporting long-term growth.

    🌍 The conversation expands into Evergreen’s international acquisition strategy across Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. Despite regional differences in telecom, private cloud, and public cloud adoption, MSPs share one essential purpose: helping small businesses keep their technology running.

    The group also challenges common M&A misconceptions, including the belief that buyers primarily target distressed companies. Strong recurring revenue, limited debt, resilient demand, and an asset-light operating model continue to make managed service providers attractive acquisition candidates.

    🔑 Top Three Highlights

    • Questions every MSP owner should ask a buyer
    • How autonomy can survive an acquisition
    • Why MSPs remain attractive acquisition targets

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    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    16 mins
  • #26 Cogent Conversations: 🏠 What Happens After You Sell Your MSP?
    Oct 28 2026

    🏠 What will actually happen to your MSP after the sale closes?

    In this episode of Cogent Conversations, Ramsey Sahyoun joins Joe and Rick to explain the questions every MSP owner should ask a prospective buyer. Who will run the company? Will the brand survive? Must the technology stack change? What happens to employees and customers?

    Ramsey also reveals how Berkshire Hathaway inspired Evergreen Services Group’s permanent-ownership model. Instead of absorbing acquired MSPs into one centralized operation, Evergreen seeks to preserve their brands, leadership, and autonomy while supporting long-term growth.

    🌍 The conversation expands into Evergreen’s international acquisition strategy across Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. Despite regional differences in telecom, private cloud, and public cloud adoption, MSPs share one essential purpose: helping small businesses keep their technology running.

    The group also challenges common M&A misconceptions, including the belief that buyers primarily target distressed companies. Strong recurring revenue, limited debt, resilient demand, and an asset-light operating model continue to make managed service providers attractive acquisition candidates.

    🔑 Top Three Highlights

    • Questions every MSP owner should ask a buyer
    • How autonomy can survive an acquisition
    • Why MSPs remain attractive acquisition targets

    ---

    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    13 mins
  • #25 💼 Selling Your MSP? Avoid the LOI Trap
    Oct 21 2026

    💼 Selling an MSP is about far more than accepting the highest valuation. In this episode of Cogent Conversations, Ramsey Sahyoun joins Joe and Rick for an inside look at MSP mergers and acquisitions—from the first conversation with a buyer to signing a letter of intent and completing due diligence.

    Why should MSP owners begin talking with potential acquirers years before they plan to sell? Ramsey explains why these conversations create no immediate obligation and often take three or four years to develop into a transaction.

    The conversation also exposes a serious risk facing sellers: buyers who offer attractive terms to win the LOI, uncover problems later, and then reduce the valuation. You’ll learn how thorough pre-LOI diligence can prevent retrading, protect trust, and improve the likelihood of closing.

    Most importantly, the group challenges owners to look beyond EBITDA multiples. The right buyer must provide a strong future for the company, its employees, its customers, and the owner’s legacy.

    🔑 Top Three Highlights

    • Why owners should speak with acquirers before they are ready
    • How LOI retrading can reduce a company’s value
    • Why cultural fit and long-term opportunity outweigh price

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    🔷 About Cogent Conversations

    Cogent Conversations is a straight-talk podcast focused on IT mergers and acquisitions for Managed Service Providers (MSPs) and technology services firms.

    Hosted by Rick Murphy, CEO of Cogent Growth Partners, the show dives deep into the realities of MSP growth, valuation, acquisition strategy, leadership transitions, and exit planning. 💼📈

    This is not theory. It’s practical, real-world insight from years of buy-side and sell-side experience in the IT services space.

    Whether you're:

    ✔️ Scaling your MSP

    ✔️ Preparing for a future exit

    ✔️ Exploring mergers or acquisitions

    ✔️ Looking to increase EBITDA and enterprise value

    Cogent Conversations delivers clarity on what buyers actually look for — and how to run your business today so you’re ready tomorrow.

    If you’re serious about growth, valuation, and long-term strategy in the MSP industry, this podcast belongs in your regular rotation.

    🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfQZUgOM_11e6AHcS-dlqYg

    🌐 Web: https://cogentmergers.com/

    🔗 Company LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/cogent-growth-partners-llc/

    👤 Rick Murphy LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ramurph/

    #CogentConversations #MSP #MSPMergers #SellYourMSP #ITMergers #ITAcquisition #ManagedServiceProvider #MSPValuation #EBITDA #ExitStrategy #BusinessGrowth #TechEntrepreneur #PrivateEquity #ChannelPartners #ITLeadership #MSPGrowth #SuccessionPlanning #TechMergers #JoeyPinz

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    17 mins
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