When Christian artists publicly deconstruct their faith or reverse the values their music once proclaimed, listeners are left asking a real question: were they ever telling the truth? In this episode of Bible, Bros & Brew, David McIntyre, Phillip Rich, and Jon Dzyuba react to Avalon's "Testify to Love" being rerecorded with a gay choir, examine the wave of faith deconstruction among Christian artists, and ground the conversation in Colossians 3, verse 15 — letting the peace of Christ act as an umpire for what we consume.

In this episode, David McIntyre and Phillip Rich react to the Avalon controversy — a member of the beloved Christian group has come out as gay, gotten married, and rerecorded "Testify to Love" with a gay choir — and use that story as a window into the broader pattern of faith deconstruction among high-profile Christian artists. Kevin Max and Michael Tait from DC Talk, Amy Grant, Gungor, Plumb, and Joshua Harris all come up in a conversation that's honest, warm, and grounded in Scripture rather than culture war.

Philip brings Colossians 3, verse 15 to anchor the discussion — "Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts" — and the guys apply it as a practical filter for what you listen to and who you trust with your spiritual formation. They also give a fresh list of artists who are doing it right: Forest Frank, Jonathan Ogden, Josh Garrels, Victory Boyd, Sunday, NF, Jason Nelson, Hulvey, and more.

Hosts: David McIntyre and Phillip Rich | Producer: Jon Dzyuba
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According to the Public Religion Research Institute and Pew Research, the number one reason people leave the church — cited by 51–67% of respondents — is that they simply stopped believing. Hosts David McIntyre and Phillip Rich of Bible, Bros & Brew argue this is not a programming problem. It's a roots problem — what happens when faith isn't built on consistent, personal engagement with Scripture.

In this episode, David McIntyre and Phillip Rich react to two videos presenting survey data on why people are walking away from the church. They explore what the Bible says about shallow versus rooted faith, drawing from the Parable of the Sower in Matthew chapter 13, Romans chapter 10 verse 17, and Jesus' challenge to "do the work of believing" in John chapter 6 verses 26 through 29. They also address the role of parents in faith formation, the danger of Sunday-only Christianity, and how to respond when hypocrisy in the church shakes your faith.

Mini FAQ

Q: What is the number one reason people leave the church?

A: Both PRRI and Pew Research independently found it's that people stopped believing — not dissatisfaction with programs or leadership.

Q: How do you build faith that actually lasts?

A: Romans chapter 10 verse 17 says faith comes by hearing the Word of God. David and Phillip argue that daily, personal engagement with Scripture — not church attendance alone — is what produces lasting belief.

Q: What should parents do to keep their kids in the faith?

A: David and Phillip share from their own experience that intentional, daily family devotion time — and refusing to outsource spiritual formation to the church alone — is what anchors children in genuine faith.

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Where the Word Meets the Daily Grind.
Hosted by David McIntyre and Phillip Rich.

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In this episode of Bible, Bros & Brew, Dave, Phil, and John continue their React series by responding to a WOKE preacher who claims John 14:6 — "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" — should be interpreted metaphysically rather than literally. The guys break down the full context of John 14, cross-reference Matthew 10, Matthew 7, and Romans 10, and expose how half-truths and loose theology lead believers — and seekers — away from the clear message of Scripture.

They also unpack what happens when Christianity becomes so "inclusive" it stops being Christianity, why the Bereans are still the standard for every believer, and why knowing the Word is your best defense against deception.

☕ What's in the Cup: Phil brings Peregrine Gold's Colombia Thermal Shock (fruit-forward, phenomenal), Dave finally admits the Mocha Turtle from Sam's Club slaps, and John keeps it simple with Black Rifle Blackbeard's Delight after a rough week.

Scriptures Referenced: John 14:1-6 | John 10:9 | Matthew 10:34-39 | Matthew 7:21-23 | Romans 10 | Matthew 5:18 | 2 Peter 1:20-21 | Acts 17 (The Bereans)

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