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Between Heat and Hope

Between Heat and Hope

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Between Heat and Hope - a climate litigation podcast for for students, fellow academics, and everyone interested in developments around climate litigation as a tool for propelling necessary climate action. With our guests from legal practice, academia and activism we discuss the most recent developments and shed light on the background, rationale, and theory surrounding the phenomenon.

This podcast forms part of the ERC funded project on climate litigation and democracy. You can find us at: climatelitigation.uva.nl

Clara Kammeringer 2026
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Episodes
  • International Investment Law as an Obstacle to Climate Protection | with Stephanie Triefus and Wiebe Hommes
    Jul 8 2026

    International Investment Law as an Obstacle to Climate Protection

    The episode introduces the basics of international investment law, zooming in on Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS), a system of dispute resolution which allows foreign investors to seek damages, amounting on average to several hundreds of millions of euros, against governments.

    Wiebe delves into the history of ISDS, explaining how fossil fuel companies like Shell were actively involved in the creation and shaping of international investment law. Stephanie outlines the most common criticisms of ISDS, including the system's lack of transparency and its potential to create a chilling effect on climate policy. She explains these dynamics further using the example of the case of ExxonMobil v the Netherlands concerning the closure of the Groningen gas field.

    Finally, Stephanie and Wiebe reflect on perspectives for reform, concluding that procedural reforms of ISDS fall short of meaningfully addressing concerns around regulatory chill and the legitimacy of ISDS as such. Ending on a hopeful note, Stephanie brings up how ISDS was discussed as a potential barrier to climate action at the first Conference on Transitioning Away from Fossil Fuels in Santa Marta, indicating that internationally political momentum is building towards a potential overhaul of or exit from the system altogether.

    References

    Wiebe Hommes & Laurens Ankersmit, Shell and the Creation of International Investment Law, 1957–1968

    Investor-State Dispute Settlement: What Are We Trying to Achieve? Does ISDS Get us There?

    Investor-state dispute settlements: a hidden handbrake on climate action

    ICSID Caseload Statistics 2024

    Kyla Tienhaara & Christian Downie, Risky Business? The Energy Charter Treaty, Renewable Energy, and Investor-State Disputes

    Conference on Transitioning Away from Fossil Fuels (Santa Marta)

    SOMO & Both Ends Road Map for Santa Marta Conference

    Recommendations

    Documentary: The Tribunal

    Report: Aftershock in Groningen

    The Nutmeg's Curse

    About

    Editing: Clara Kammeringer

    Music: “Delayed Flight” by Michael Ramir C. via mixkit

    Recorded at the University of Amsterdam, May 2026

    The LitDem Project

    This project has received funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union's Horizon Europe research and innovation programme (grant agreement n° 101125511).

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    48 mins
  • Educating Climate Conscious Lawyers | with Julia Dehm
    Jun 25 2026

    Educating Climate Conscious Lawyers

    Julia Dehm speaks about what it means to work, teach, and think as a lawyer in the midst of the climate crisis. Julia reflects on the relationship between theoretical research and real-world impact, the importance of collaborative and community-engaged scholarship, and the need to make climate change central rather than peripheral to legal education and legal practice. The conversation also explores how historical approaches can help lawyers better understand the structures that have produced ecological harm, while also opening space for more just and imaginative legal futures.

    The episode further discusses the practical and personal dimensions of doing climate-related work: avoiding burnout, balancing academic life with family responsibilities, and building supportive communities. The episode offers an invitation to think about law not only as a tool for responding to environmental crisis, but as a field that must itself be transformed by ecological awareness, responsibility, and care.

    Julia Dehm is an Associate Professor and ARC DECRA Fellow in the School of Law, La Trobe University Australia. Her research addresses issues of international and domestic climate change and environmental law, natural resource governance and human rights, economic inequality and social justice. She visited the UvA as participant in the Decolonial Futures Scholars in Residence Programme 2026.

    References

    Becoming a climate conscious lawyer: Climate change and the Australian legal system, edited by Julia Dehm, Nicole Graham and Zoe Nay

    Scorecard — Law Students for Climate Accountability

    Julia Dehm and Erin Fitz-Henry, ‘Climate Reparations in Australia’ Alternative Law Journal

    Youth Verdict v. Waratah Coal - The Climate Litigation Database

    ASRA Network | Waratah Coal v. Youth Verdict

    Home - The Australian Climate Case

    "Daniel Billy" Case

    Recommendations

    WHO'S GONNA SAVE US?

    Saving The Franklin | Dig with Jo Lauder

    About

    Editing: Martyna Durlik

    Music: “Delayed Flight” by Michael Ramir C. via mixkit

    Recorded at the University of Amsterdam, May 2026

    The LitDem Project

    This project has received funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union's Horizon Europe research and innovation programme (grant agreement n° 101125511).

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    52 mins
  • Science and Justice in Climate Litigation | with Joyeeta Gupta
    Jun 10 2026

    Science and justice in climate litigation

    In this episode of Between Heat and Hope, we are joined by Professor Joyeeta Gupta. Joyeeta Gupta is Professor of Environment and Development in the Global South at the University of Amsterdam and Professor at IHE Delft Institute for Water Education. Her work sits at the intersection of climate law, earth system science, and environmental justice, with a particular focus on the Global South. She has been involved in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

    The conversation begins by unpacking the role and working methods of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, where Joyeeta has been involved as a lead author. It then turnsto the current state of climate science and the prospects of limiting global warming to 1.5°C with no or limited overshoot. Joyeeta walks us through key concepts such as carbon budgets, net zero and overshoot, and explains how these concepts shape mitigation pathways and questions of equity. From there, we discuss the role and limits of science in climate litigation. The episode then turns to North-South equity, fossil fuel phase-out, carbon lock-in, and the particular justice questions raised by climate cases in Europe and the Global South. Finally, Joyeeta reflects on her long engagement with global climate policy and on what a more sustainable and equitable future would require.

    References

    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

    Earth Commission

    Global Commission on the Economics of Water

    Global Constitution Project

    CLIFF Project

    International Court of Justice Advisory Opinion on climate change

    Recommendations

    Extinction Rebellion

    YUMI: Documentary about ICJ Court Case

    Fossil fuel Non-Proliferation Initiative

    Global Constitution Project

    About

    Editing: Martyna Durlik, Clara Kammeringer

    Music: “Delayed Flight” by Michael Ramir C. via mixkit

    Recorded at the University of Amsterdam, April 2026

    The LitDem Project

    This project has received funding from the European Research Council (ERC) under the European Union's Horizon Europe research and innovation programme (grant agreement n° 101125511).

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    45 mins
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