In this special off-season episode of Climate Changed, we are thrilled to feature a podcast swap with ecoChristian, hosted by Rev. Caleb Cray Haynes. Caleb sits down with author, speaker, and Presbyterian pastor Courtney Ellis to discuss her newest book, Weathering Change, alongside his recent book, Earthbound Christian.

By observing how the more-than-human world adapts to transition—from the resilience of migrating birds to the mystery of deep-sea rays—Courtney and Caleb invite us to see our own human limits as a feature of God's design. It is a tender, honest conversation about curiosity, grief, and finding joy in our local biomes.

About the Guests: Courtney Ellis is a Presbyterian pastor, speaker, and host of The Thing with Feathers podcast. She wrote Weathering Change: Seeking Peace Amid Life’s Tough Transitions. Rev. Caleb Cray Haynes is the host of the ecoChristian podcast, co-founder of Nazarenes for Creation Care, and author of Earthbound Christian: Flourishing within limits in the age of infinite growth.

Key Topics Covered

The Power of Curiosity in Change: Approaching transitions with gentle curiosity instead of judgment.

Flourishing Within Limits: Embracing our finite nature in an age of infinite growth.

Descending Rather Than Climbing: Choosing humility, confession, and presence over the constant drive to produce and transcend.

Finding Joy in the Local Biome: Using wonder and delight as the primary motivations for creation care.

Resource Links & References

The ecoChristian Podcast and Substack

https://calebcrayhaynes.substack.com/

Courtney Ellis https://courtneybellis.com/

Caleb Cray Haynes https://calebcrayhaynes.com/

Explore More For full show notes, transcripts, discussion guides, and links to all the resources mentioned in this episode, please visit our website at https://climatechangedpodcast.org/.