Episodes

  • Retrospective 1: The Ignition

    Retrospective 1: The Ignition
    Jun 5 2026
    To celebrate 10 years in podcasting, we're spending the summer going back in time and both highlighting key episodes and telling the stories behind them; you’ll get new behind-the-scenes information about what was happening in life, in various investigations, and in the world that impacted these important episodes and their podcasts. You’ll learn how Josh started podcasting, how he started investigating Israel Keyes, some hilarious and terrifying stories from the road, and some really vulnerable and personal stories.

    We start our first retrospective at, duh, the beginning. Josh shares how both his podcasting journey and Keyes obsession began. He discusses his time in Seattle and on the Olympic Peninsula, how he ended up on the East Coast, his first deep-dive investigation (not Keyes) and how that led to his second (Keyes).

    And this kicks off an early episode of his very first show, Our Americana, entitled Van Life.

    TROVA TRIP to The Galapagos Islands:
    https://trovatrip.com/trip/south-america/ecuador/ecuador-with-josh-hallmark-jan-2027
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    1 hr and 26 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God

    Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God
    Dec 20 2024
    Season finale.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Featuring:
    Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
    Albert Perkins

    Resources:
    • Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
    • How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
    • The New York Times
    • The Harvard Political Review
    • The National Institutes for Health
    • The National Institues for Health
    • The American Psychological Association
    • The Harvard University Press
    • The Hill
    • The Trevor Project
    • The Human Rights Campaign
    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
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    Music by: Adi Goldstein
    Featured music by: Frank Ocean
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    28 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts

    Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts
    Dec 20 2024
    To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
    Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Perfume Genius
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    1 hr and 17 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret

    Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret
    Dec 20 2024
    At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
    Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

    Resources:
    • Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
    • The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
    • The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561
    Featuring:
    Albert Perkins

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
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    Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
    Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Unsafe Spaces | It Was Steven

    Unsafe Spaces | It Was Steven
    Dec 20 2024
    Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz

    Featuring:
    • Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential
    • Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Music by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Chris Garneau
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    38 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | It Was Scott

    Unsafe Spaces | It Was Scott
    Dec 20 2024
    Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz
    Audio editing by Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast)

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott?
    • Newspapers.com
    • CNN.com
    • Equity Florida Action, Inc

    Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book
    Featured music by: Owen Pallett
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    40 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked

    Unsafe Spaces | I'm Gay, I'm F*cked
    Dec 20 2024
    Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names.


    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
    With additional research by: Kaz
    Featuring: Jason Leroy (The Binge Movie Podcast)


    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand


    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • Uncovered
    • The Tampa Bay Times
    • Newspapers.com
    • The Albuquerque Journal
    • Amnesty International


    Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Yotam Agam, Theatre of Delays, Grisly Bill, and Benjamin Esterlis
    Featured music by: Jacob Fossum
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    36 mins
  • Unsafe Spaces | Let's Violate the World

    Unsafe Spaces | Let's Violate the World
    Dec 20 2024
    On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes.

    This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.
    With additional research by: Kaz.
    Featuring: Eric Schmidt and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential).

    This is a Studio BOTH/AND production:
    truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi
    For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

    Resources include:
    • The Charlie Project
    • NAMUS
    • Uncovered
    • Clearwater Police Department
    • The Tampa Bay Times: 1 2 3

    Music by: Colour Book, Yehezkel Rez, Roniit, Raz Burg, Raz Burg, and Yotam Agam
    Featured music by: Josef Salvat
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    43 mins