Today I'm joined once again by Greg Pai, author of Voice of the Heart: The Battle for Your Purpose, Peace and Passion. We talk about how technology, media and modern systems increasingly separate us from God, one another and our own sense of purpose; why suffering can become part of spiritual transformation; and Greg's idea of "extraction" — the layers of noise, distraction and dependency that pull us further from truth. We also explore what a more grounded Christian response might look like: stronger communities, greater self-reliance and lives built around faith rather than the values of the world.

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