On January 20th, a major UFO focused event took place at the Washington DC Press Club, hosted by James Fox and featuring testimony and discussion around legacy crash retrieval programs, alleged non human biologics, and long standing cases including Brazil and Varginha.

In this episode, Andy is joined by researcher and social media analyst Joe Murgia for a detailed breakdown of what was said, what stood out, and what still feels frustratingly out of reach.

They discuss the possibility of exhuming a body with family permission using modern science, the existence of alleged smoking gun videos that remain unseen, and why mainstream media once again failed to show up in force.

The conversation also explores the limits of disclosure, whistleblower protections, national security concerns, and why for the public, it may now be bodies or craft or nothing at all.

Is disclosure stalled, delayed, or simply waiting for undeniable proof.

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This is a breaking news episode summarising today’s UFO press event at the National Press Club in Washington DC, focused on the 1996 Varginha UFO case in Brazil.

Andy provides a factual, chronological recap of the event, including sworn witness testimony, recorded statements from Brazilian witnesses who were denied US visas, and commentary from congressional and medical figures.

The episode also covers the lack of mainstream media presence, the role of whistleblower protections, and listener reaction following the event.

Witness video statements discussed in this episode are available on YouTube and X.

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In Part 2, Matt Ford explains why he takes a confrontational stance online, calling out professional debunkers, media narratives, and institutional behaviour around UAPs.

We discuss accountability, skepticism versus narrative management, and where the UFO conversation may be heading next.

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