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Maintenance Phase

Maintenance Phase

By: Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.© 2026 Maintenance Phase Hygiene & Healthy Living Mental Health Awareness World
Episodes
  • RFK Jr.'s Buckwild Belief That HIV Doesn't Cause AIDS
    Sep 21 2026

    The rise, fall and rise of the most nonsensical conspiracy theory we've ever heard.

    Thanks to Gregg Gonsalves for helping us fact-check this episode!

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    • Denying AIDS: Conspiracy Theories and Pseudoscience in a Post-COVID World
    • Impure Science: AIDS, Activism, and the Politics of Knowledge
    • The Duesberg Phenomenon
    • AIDS Denialism Beliefs among People Living with HIV/AIDS
    • HIV Denial in the Internet Era
    • HIV Denial in the COVID Era
    • How COVID conspiracy theories led to an alarming resurgence in AIDS denialism
    • The Man Who Thought AIDS Was All In The Mind
    • AIDS "Dissident" Seeks Redemption
    • Truth and Heresy About AIDS
    • Defending the boundaries of science
    • Justice After AIDS Denialism
    • AIDS Denialism vs. Science
    • The Unbeliever
    • Estimating the lost benefits of ARV use in South Africa
    • Conspiracy beliefs about HIV/AIDS
    • Are HIV/AIDS Conspiracy Beliefs a Barrier to HIV Prevention Among African Americans?
    • HIV causes AIDS: Koch's postulates fulfilled
    • AIDS And The Scientific Governance Of Medicine In Post-Apartheid South Africa
    • The Denialists
    • Has Duesberg a right of reply?

    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!

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    1 hr and 20 mins
  • Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?
    Jul 27 2026

    We’re nearly halfway through Trump's second term and we still don’t have a Surgeon General. What gives?

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    • White House withdraws nomination of Janette Nesheiwat
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Distorted Key Parts of Her Résumé
    • Dr. Janette Nesheiwat takes role at Walter Reed treating Havana Syndrome
    • When Did RFK Jr Start Listening to Calley and Casey Means?
    • What Casey Means and MAHA Want You to Fear
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Is Tearing the MAHA Movement Apart
    • Trump surgeon general pick said mushrooms helped her find love
    • The Dizzying Rise of MAHA Warrior Calley Means
    • Casey Means Poised to Become Nation’s Top Doctor
    • Casey Means discloses financial ties to supplement industry
    • Laura Loomer Targets Trump’s Pick for Surgeon General
    • The Bad Science of Good Energy
    • Trump's Surgeon General Pick Tried to Trademark MAHA
    • Can Trump's latest pick for surgeon general make it through confirmation?
    • New surgeon general pick in deleted posts criticized Trump, RFK Jr
    • Trump’s pick for SG sells supplement with ingredient banned by Pentagon
    • Trump’s new surgeon general pick deepens MAHA-MAGA rift

    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!

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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • Salt
    Jun 10 2026

    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?

    Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.

    Support us:

    • Hear bonus episodes on Patreon
    • Watch Aubrey's documentary
    • Buy Aubrey's book
    • Listen to Mike's other podcast
    • Get Maintenance Phase T-shirts, stickers and more

    Links!

    • The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America
    • Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease
    • Salt Wars
    • The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implications
    • Sodium reduction
    • Sodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health Goal
    • Effects of Diet and Sodium Intake
    • Salt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease
    • Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US Adults
    • The Great Salt Debate: So Bad?
    • Salt guidelines draw heavy backlash
    • Sodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage Purchases
    • Blood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertension

    Thanks to Doctor Dreamchip for our lovely theme song!

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    53 mins
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All kinds of interesting things you never knew about the founder of Pilates. Nothing controversial about the exercise method itself, just the interesting, amusing and sometimes strange history surrounding it. A great commute listen. Thank you.

Very entertaining - lots of fun facts

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I've listened for year and honestly it always makes me laugh, informs and feeds my soul.

Always excellent. With no exceptions

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Funny, smart, and important, the duo addresses bad science and social attitudes based on bias rather than facts. A refreshing take that keeps growing on you.

Addictive, mind-blowing, intelligent: myth-busting at its best

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loved it. love every episode. presenters are wonderful and hilarious and you learn something new every time

my favourite podcast

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