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There's a fairly persuasive myth about power: that once you have enough of it, everything else follows. This episode makes a decent case against that, using nothing more dramatic than a chief executive who can restructure an entire division and still can't get their own kid to tidy their room. If you've ever wondered why some very senior people still don't get listened to, or why some people with almost nothing get listened to constantly, this one's for you.

Join KG and Paul as they chat to Jen Overbeck about why having power and having influence turn out to be two genuinely different things.

As usual episode's wine comes from our friends, Annandale Cellars, and it's the 2025 Schmölzer & Brown Beechworth Merlot, a straight varietal from Tessa Brown and Jeremy Schmölzer's high-altitude vineyard. It pours a deep, dark garnet and opens with blackberry, cinnamon and dark fruit on the nose. On the palate it's fruity and balanced, with fine tannins, good body for a Merlot, and a bit of cherry and spice that lingers.

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Useful resources from this episode:

1. Jen Overbeck's website: jenoverbeck.com
2. Jen Overbeck on LinkedIn
3. Pathways to Politics for Women, the non-partisan political leadership program where Jen volunteers
4. Melbourne School of Business

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Paul's been reading something unexpected: Pope Leo XIV's first encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas, arguing that AI should be judged against human dignity, not efficiency. It's a genuinely different take on a topic that mostly produces unreflective panic or unquestioned evangelism.

Join Paul & KG for this Cheeky Half episode. And if you haven't yet listened to their earlier conversation on this in Cheeky Half 40, it makes a good companion listen.

Cheeky Half episodes are short. So rather than spending your precious minutes on any further explanation, we definitely encourage you to listen.

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If you are interested in a written reflection of this discussion and its themes, you can find our brief article here.

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Most leadership conversations happen above the neck. Steve Ray, a groupwork facilitator and open-heart practitioner, thinks that's only half the picture, and arguably the less interesting half. This is an episode about the inner critic, the community of selves, and what happens when a podcast host attempts a live meditation mid-episode and immediately starts contending with his own inner critic.

Join KG and Paul as they chat to Steve, a groupwork facilitator at Group Work Centre and practitioner at The Natural Way of Living, about heart consciousness, the community of selves, and whether the parts of yourself you've been suppressing might actually be trying to help.

Thanks as always to our friends at Annandale Cellars for supplying this episode's wine. This time we're drinking the 2021 Yal Yal Estate Yal Yal Road Pinot Noir from the Mornington Peninsula - a light, clear red that opens with raspberry and a hint of strawberry on the nose, picks up a little tartness as it breathes, and finishes with very soft tannins. Good body, nothing overworked, and as Paul put it - it warms the heart. The cockles, even.

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If you are interested in a written reflection of this discussion and its themes, you can find our brief article here.

Useful resources from this episode:

1. Steve Ray on LinkedIn
2. Group Work Centre — Steve's facilitation practice
3. The Natural Way of Living — the open-heart practice organisation Steve references throughout this episode
4. Episode 6.03 — Leading through Consciousness: Seeing Things 'As They Are' with Marti Spiegelman — a companion listen for anyone who wants to follow this thread further

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