Bernie and David welcome Kevin Kauffman, co-founder of Group 4610, to the podcast. Kevin reflects on his 19-year journey in the Phoenix market, navigating the 2007 crash, and how a willingness to tackle complex short sales helped him dominate the local industry. He also discusses the evolution of his team's unique brand, their pivotal move to EXP eight years ago, and why short sales are making a quiet comeback.

In this episode, Bernie and David sit down with Arizona real estate force Michelle Minnick and her son, Xander, of Team Minnick. Michelle shares her incredible 25-year journey—from watching Aspen realtors ski down mountains in business suits, to surviving a "horrible boss" who demanded a $50,000 buy-in, to taking a massive leap of faith on herself back in Arizona. Plus, Xander talks about stepping into the family business, running his first mastermind, and training the next generation of agents. Grab a Red Bull and tune in for an open-book masterclass on grit, growth, and family legacy!

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