Thanks for joining us for a special announcement: Southeast Counseling is closing its doors in December, but we are happy to announce that our entire clinical team will be joining a new venture with the Wounded Healers Project starting in January! Join us for a little more detail about the move and stay tuned for more regularly scheduled crime and unhingedness on Friday!

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

A familiar trail, a routine hike, and a chilling attack that nearly ended in tragedy. In this episode, we unpack the attempted murder charges against Breckenridge resident Nathan John Guild. We explore how close to home this case hits, examine the science behind the bystander effect, and highlight the observant witnesses who refused to look away when something felt wrong. Join us as we discuss the critical indicators of extreme lethality in relationships and provide vital resources for anyone needing a safe way out.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

We're all a little over it, so this week enjoy more abject silliness, outtakes, bloopers, and moments cut from our regular episodes

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

Trick-or-treaters had barely cleared the street when a quiet Napa home became a bloody crime scene. In this episode, we unpack the 2004 murders of Leslie Mazzara and Adriane Insogna. We examine why investigators often overlook people outside the immediate romantic circle, how unseen rage can fester in everyday friendships, and the stomach-churning reality of a killer who stayed close to the families, went to the funerals, and pretended to grieve alongside the community he devastated.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

It's been a heavy couple weeks, join us as we lighten things up this week with some fun questions about us and our quirks, answered by our friendly neighborhood producer G! And if you have any questions, drop them in the comments so we can drag him back into the booth for another round.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

A ringing telephone cut short mid-sentence, a brutal ambush at a base phone booth, and a gym bag carried into a hospital room that changed true crime history forever. In this episode, we revisit the 1993 murder of Gregory Glover by fellow soldier Stephen Schap in Germany. We unpack the toxic mix of jealousy, repressed emotion, and lethal violence, while welcoming special guest Joe form the Wounded Healer Project to give us an unfiltered look at how military hierarchy and culture impact accountability when the lines between personal life and the barracks blur completely.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

SO there have been new text messages released in the Cornell case, and we see patterns that we notice in our regular jobs as well. What does it mean that she texted them back the days after? Does it change the calculus of culpability? We discuss the clinical situatioms where we see similar behaviors, what these massages might signify, and how we personally talk about it

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.

This week, we reflect on the heartbreaking tragedy of actress Hayden Panettiere, whose recent death from an accidental drug overdose brought a devastating end to a lifelong struggle with public scrutiny, trauma, and domestic abuse. We examine her memoir, This Is Me: A Reckoning, analyzing her candid reflections on child stardom, postpartum depression, and the coercive dynamics of abusive relationships. We break down the psychological mechanics of trauma bonding—why breaking free from an abusive partner is rarely a straight line—and honor her fierce love and sacrifices for her daughter, Kaya.

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Disclaimer: Jeannine and Natalie are commentators on publicly sourced information. Any case information and opinions are based on records in the public domain and are purely speculative in nature. Their comments are not meant to diagnose or treat any condition for listeners, and they are not functioning as licensed therapists providing services on the show. Any information shared based on general client experiences is coincidental and not meant to identify current or past clients. If you or someone you love is having a mental health crisis, please contact 911 or the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline by calling or texting 988.