One of Australia's leading conductors on pressure, purpose, and the music that shaped her. Jessica Gethin has led orchestras from Sydney to Singapore to Dallas — here she shares four pieces that marked her life and her leadership, in the final conversation of Season One.

A conductor holds a hundred musicians in the movement of her hands, in a performance that happens once and can never be taken back. In this episode, concert pianist Zen Zeng sits down with her friend and fellow WAAPA musician Jessica Gethin to trace a life in music: listening under pressure, leading through change, and staying steady when everyone is watching.

The four pieces Jessica chose:

1. Max Bruch — Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor, Op. 26 (I. Allegro moderato)
2. Igor Stravinsky — Symphonies of Wind Instruments (discussed in the episode; hear the full recording: [link])
3. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky — Waltz of the Flowers, from The Nutcracker
4. Giuseppe Verdi — La forza del destino

About Jessica Gethin

Principal Conductor of West Australian Ballet, Head of Orchestral Studies and Conducting at WAAPA, and founding Chief Conductor of the Perth Symphony Orchestra. A Churchill Fellow and a Fellow of the Dallas Opera's Hart Institute for Women Conductors, inducted into the 2024 Western Australian Women's Hall of Fame and named among the AFR's 100 Most Influential Women.

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Crescendo Conversations is a series where leaders from high-stakes worlds share four pieces of music that shaped their lives, identities and careers — and how they navigate pressure, change, ethics and purpose. Hosted by concert pianist and author Zen Zeng. Where high achievement meets unfiltered humanity.

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Rick Brennan spent two decades inside the world's worst humanitarian crises — including managing the response to Ebola outbreaks — later serving as a Regional Director of Emergency Operations at the World Health Organization. He's met Mother Teresa. He once called a 350-year-old house in France home. And later in life, he found love — a self-described "late bloomer", building a personal practice around travel to the world's most remote places, spirituality, and mindfulness.

In this episode of Crescendo Conversations, Rick shares the pieces of music that trace his journey — where his sense of purpose was first formed, the weight of decisions made under pressure, what remains unchanged beneath systems, policies, and global complexity, and what he hopes still matters, and endures, beyond him.

Three of his four songs are heard here as original piano interpretations by host Zen Zeng. The fourth belongs to the full conversation on YouTube — a moment better watched than described.

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He represented Australia in Paris and Seoul. But the four songs he chose reveal something the résumé never could.

Brendan Berne spent decades as one of Australia's most distinguished diplomats — serving as Ambassador to France and South Korea, operating in rooms where history was quietly being made. In this conversation, he leaves the résumé at the door.

Through four pieces of music, Brendan traces a life lived with unusual intentionality — from a childhood in Western Sydney, to coming of age as a gay teenager navigating a society that wasn't ready for him, to a career defined by one rare quality: always knowing when to stop.

The music that guides the journey:

— Chopin, Nocturne No. 10 in C♯ minor
— The Smiths, The Boy with the Thorn in His Side
— Purcell, When I Am Laid in Earth
— Rameau, Les Indes Galantes

What stayed with me long after we finished recording was this: so many of us keep going, without ever stopping to ask what else is left. Brendan has asked that question at every significant turn. And his answers are quietly extraordinary.

A conversation about identity, mortality, vitality, and the courage to live authentically.

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He grew up in Hamilton, Scotland. Working class, clear values, and a belief that effort speaks for itself.

Martin Dougall is now a Global Senior Partner in Forensic Solutions at KPMG — a career spent following financial crime, understanding what draws good people toward the wrong choice, and watching what happens when the truth finally surfaces.

Four songs trace the journey:

Dignity by Deacon Blue — Music of home, where it all began. Down Under by Men at Work — Australian backpackers in a British pub, and a life that quietly turned toward a different horizon. Precious Years by Runrig — the piece he returns to when outcomes are uncertain and the long view is the only honest one. Where the Streets Have No Name by U2 — not memory, but future direction.

In between the songs, Martin speaks about what his career has revealed — about the fine line between integrity and its loss, about what drives good people toward the wrong choice, and about a conviction that is not philosophical but forensic: keep doing the right thing. Because the tide goes out. It always does.

"Zen speaks from the heart of a concert pianist, the mind of a philosopher, and the soul of an authentic traveller. Steeped in the lessons of experience and expertise, Zen personifies deep thinking, weaving together the lessons of music, metaphor and meaning in ways that challenge and inspire." — Martin Dougall

Crescendo Conversations is an Australian podcast series hosted by concert pianist, Dr. Zen Zeng. Each episode, a distinguished global leader shares four pieces of music that shaped their identity, career and life. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Audible, and Spotify. Watch on YouTube.

Lewis McDonald is the Global Managing Partner, Energy Sector at Herbert Smith Freehills Kramer — one of the most senior energy lawyers in the world, with a career built around some of the largest energy deals on the planet.

In this episode of Crescendo Conversations, Lewis shares the four pieces of music that have shaped his identity, his career, and his life: Living on a Prayer (Bon Jovi), Private Universe (Crowded House), Best of You (Foo Fighters), and Everything in Its Right Place (Radiohead).

We talk about what Lewis calls "cognitive athletes" — and why the way high-performing people think about pressure and recovery needs to change. We talk about an $11 billion energy deal in Mozambique, and what it actually meant for the people whose lives it touched. And partway through our conversation, Lewis picked up a guitar and played.

Music credits:
Living on a Prayer — written by Jon Bon Jovi, Richie Sambora, Desmond Child. Piano: Zen Zeng.
Private Universe — written by Neil Finn. Performed live by Lewis McDonald.
Best of You — written by Dave Grohl, Taylor Hawkins, Nate Mendel, Chris Shiflett. Piano: Zen Zeng.
Everything in Its Right Place — written by Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, Colin Greenwood, Ed O'Brien, Philip Selway. Piano: Zen Zeng.

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Home. Family. Community. The belief that you build something slowly, and you build it right.

Martin Dougall, Global Senior Partner in Forensic Solutions at KPMG, shares the song that has never left him — and the values that haven't either.

Before he became Australia's Chief Medical Officer, Paul Kelly was a child who loved music. A son. A husband. A keen-fisherman. Someone who felt most alive in particular moments that had nothing to do with a title.

In this first conversation of Crescendo Conversations, Prof. Paul Kelly shares four pieces of music that trace the full arc of a life — where he came from, what lit him up, what the weight of the pandemic revealed about him, and what music he is walking toward now.

What emerges isn't a career retrospective. It's something far more interesting: a portrait of a person who has held enormous responsibility and remained, quietly, himself.

This is a conversation about family, belonging, courage and hope, told through the only language that bypasses everything we've learned to perform.

"Zen is a great conversationalist. I didn't know what to expect before the interview, and now I feel grounded, elated and honoured." — Prof. Paul Kelly

Music credits:
Clarinet Concerto in A, K622, Mov.II.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Reginald Kell (clarinet), Zimbler Sinfonietta

American Decca, recorded in 1950.

Mdidi

Faith Mussa

Used with permission

Spiegel im Spiegel (for violin and piano)

Arvo Pärt

George Vi (violin) & Zen Zeng (piano)

Used with permission

Ave Maria

Franz Schubert

Claire Dux (soprano & piano)

Parlophone Odeon Series, recorded in 1933.

What are the four songs that shaped your life, career and identity?